Friday, September 29, 2006

FX Alert Service Review - Secret Forex Society / King Forex Signals


Don't be fooled, "Secret" & "King" are manipulative words that imply they have the Holy Grail of FX Trading


I was a Kingforexsignals subscriber for two weeks (which morphed into Secretforexsociety) and I decided not to continue with it.

There are a number of reasons that led me decide to opt out. Please note, my two weeks is not indicative of how successful Kingforexsignals has been in the past or will be in the future. The signal success rate was disappointing in that brief two week period (first two weeks of September 2006), but this wasn't why I left. See below.

There are two sides to the service, Rob's buy and sell signals during the London and New York trading sessions, plus Felix's so called "Secret News Service" which runs at significant economic news announcement times (usually 8:30am New York time). This is a text-based number displayed on the screen that shows how far an economic number has deviated from what was expected (such as GDP, NFP, etc.) If the deviation is big enough, then this becomes a buy or sell signal. Economic announcement deviations are the cause of the price spikes you occasionally see in currency cross rates.

To use this service you need to ensure you can monitor Rob's potential signals during his trading sessions. I couldn't afford that much time in front of the screen, even with the text-phone service, but this might not be a problem for others. I had to learn this by trying it. Because of my time constraints I didn't see all of Rob's calls, one that stood out for me however was a LONG call on GBP/USD on 12th September 2006, which was followed by a stop loss signal a few moments later. About twenty minutes later, the stop loss level was hit (that's fine, losses happen), but then Rob said he was still in the trade, and as Murphy's law would have it, the price started going LONG again. This pissed off a couple of people who then requested more information about when Rob exactly enters and exits his trades + someone asked why he wasn't following his own stop loss level. Another 10 minutes went by and the price started to drop again and Rob announced he was stopped out.

This isolated example highlighted the primary problem with Kingforexsignals for me: You are utterly dependent on someone else giving you signals based on his perception of market orders/depth (Rob has institutional-level access to FX orders). You have no way of verifying/confirming these signals, so you are committing money to trades on blind faith (albeit with some assurance that his signals have been good in the past). This style of trading doesn't help me achieve my goal of trading independently (learning to fish instead of being given a fish).

Subscribers in the room are frequently flamed by other devotees if they pose a legitimate question. In the above trade example (why didn't Rob follow his own stop loss level originally) this was flippantly answered by another member with "stop loss levels are a suggestion". In one sense this is true, but if you're paying so much money each month then people are expecting a little more certainty with the signals than that. People want to trust that they're being told the WHOLE truth, and not find out later that something else was going on. This is how results can be easily manipulated.

A word of warning, in the chatroom there's frequent course language and lots of posts with links to pornographic sites. This boring juvenile behavior made me feel like I was wasting my time. The most tedious part of the chatroom was the constant moaning about how bad all the FX brokers are. This got tired really quickly too.

At the time I left, Rob started saying he might need to restrict the chatter to just FX because of the hot-headed flaming and name calling between the members. This gives you a sense of how the chatter degenerated in the name of 'fun'.

I wouldn't recommend this service to beginners because you're not learning to develop a system for yourself which reflects your own perception of the market. To me this is a big drawback. If Rob gets hit by a bus, then what have you learned or can implement for yourself? Nothing, because you can't see the market depth and can't learn how to interpret it. I didn't really appreciate that this is all an alert service is, just buy and sell signals with little or no education.

Rob's signals might be worth trying if you have the time and want to augment an existing trading method that you already use since he lets you know when bids or offers are providing support/resistance levels in the current market action. This might be really useful for some.

The other part of this alert service is Felix's so called "Secret News Service". What he's trying to do is give you the economic number faster than you can get through other speedy news services, such as Bloomberg, Reuters, Trade the News and Need to Know News, etc. Being fast with the number is desirable so that you can get in early on those huge price spikes and get out quickly with a profit.

Unfortunately, most retail FX brokers either don't process your order quickly enough to take advantage of these news spikes or they widen the spread, thus either reducing your potential profit or increasing the risk of losing money on the trade.

Given the reality of how the retail FX broker platforms operate, in my opinion the speed of getting into the trade becomes far less important then knowing what the economic number is and getting in once the spread reduces or the platform starts accepting orders again (maybe after a minute or two). Big enough deviations in the economic numbers from what was expected will continue to move a currency pair in particular direction, so missing the initial spike doesn't mean you can't make a trade on news announcements.

For me, the high cost of getting the news just one or two seconds more quickly (and at times no faster) through kingforexsignals/secretforexsociety compared to other much cheaper news services just wasn't worth it. Why pay money for fast news if you can't use it?

Rob and Felix are well-intentioned guys and want to make their combined signal service work (my refund was swift). But if trusting someone else to give you your success is what you want, then this alert service might work for you. Personally, I think you'll have better long-term success trusting yourself.

5 comments:

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fer said...

King Forex Signals is a pure scam. Rob who gives signals there claims that he has access to quantities of order flow of currencies....that is all bullshit and its easy to prove it. ive been with the service for enough time to realise that its all a part of the scam. If u dont belive me then mark these few things.
1) whenever rob gives a trade call, see that he will be mostly chasing a trade in that direction. if he could really see teh order flow--shouldnt the pair move significantly for atleast a few pips in the direction of a trade call? it doesnt in a lot of occasions... order flow??bullshit !
2)a poll in the room has collected info from the traders in there that over 75% of people dont make money 'exclusively' following robs calls-- they fail to understand that they are paying for a 'signal service' and thats what it means!
3) recently rob has started trading gbp/jpy pair which most of the traders have a spread of over 7 pips and if rob tries to scalp it--which in a lot of occasions he is unsuccesful (againg order flow BS)lot of traders end up losing BIG time. i mean there are systems out there where one can trade gbp/jpy as swing system and make few hundred pips/week-- think about it?
4) ask anyone in the room--whens the last time rob has made a trade in gbp/usd worth over 30 pips--20? and if u have to think about this one--laugh it out!
5) then there are traders in the room saying not to complain and suppress other traders when they try to voice out their concerns regarding not making any money---for the sake of everyone--let the truth be out there. the public needs to know that this is a signal service , not an education service they are paying for and robs calls need to make people money and it doesnt---so smell the brew and wake up !!
6) felix has SNW which works in a lot of occasions--although the service is not that professional but if it makes traders money--so be it---cause that is the purpose why traders pay for a service. UNLIKE ROBS SERVICE
7)the only good thing about robs room is the traders in there---some smart, some ignorant and some plain stupid---but one can always learn from other peoples experience and mistakes so the chat room is worth it ( BUT not worth what u pay--who pays to chat?)
8)lastly and one of the most important thing--- i know of noone who gets robs entries and exits everytime so the pip count recorded is obviously not a reflection of the traders who pay for that signal service. and rob seems to be paying almost no spread to a pip ot two for everytrade he takes--unlike most traders in there and over 90% of times he wille xit witha few pip profits hence traders will be making break even or zero or mostly negative..it is ridiculuos to witness that and i realtl feel that the public needs to face this reality.

many traders have got used to stay in that room as many traders know that forex is boring to trade by yourself and have they have got used to the chat in there. BUT all the rest of the public , DONT BE FOOLED BY THIS SERVICE

find and trade your own systems---they are a lot of systems out there which really make money--learn them.

ptforex said...

I must point out that I have never used this service however; in my personal opinion an educational service does hold more value than a ‘signal’ service. As the author has rightly pointed out what happens if Rob is hit by a bus or decides to call it a day and close shop? (Although at $999 a month and a room with 100 plus members he is banking well over 100k a month for running the service! That is a very nice income and one he probably wont give up too easily!)

I have no doubt whatsoever as to the intentions of Rob and Felix and I have heard that they have been working extremely hard over the last year to improve the service. I guess in the end it comes down to individual preference; do you want to learn to trade for yourself or would you rather follow an experienced trader’s lead?

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BP66 said...

Well,I have been a member w/ Rob for some time now and I agree, some of his trades are a bit crazy and he sometimes chases the trade. However, He has a connection with a bank trader (unnamed), And he often gives "position trades" on the GBY/JPY that last either a day or two and I must say, he nails it 90% of the time. I've made more pips off his position trade in 2 days than most traders make in entire month or more. I've read the posts and can see where people can become frustrated however their is value to his service, If You choose to take all Rob's trades You are not a trader, I do agree w/ that as some of his trades make no sense at all however his "levels" described as "Bids/Offers" where supply is located are gold, if they are not I am one lucky trader I suppose. Bottom line is, S/R lines are created from supply & Demand, this creates true price action. I've seen every silly looking indicator under the sun and frankly, they are really nice looking on a chart but mean nothing most of the time. Do You really think a bank uses indicators? Just my opinion, I do this for a living and I just wanted to share my opinion. Good trading All.

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